[Espace IV] Rodage 2.0 dCi FAP 175

I received my new Grand Espace with the 2.0 dCi 175hp FAP motor this Friday. (Pictures will come soon...)

The car retailer told me that the motor is already run in (indroven in bench at the factory) (broken in). Yes, I have a problem with the terminologi...

When I read in the manual, it says that this engine should be droven in. First 1500 km one should not exceed 2500 rpm. Then one can drive faster but first after 6000 km the maximum prestanda can be taken in advantage.

Now, what is true about this?

Here comes babelfish translation:
Voici venir la traduction de babelfish:

J'ai reçu mon nouvel GrandEspace avec 2.0 le moteur du dCi 177ch FAP ce vendredi. Le détaillant de voiture m'a dit que le moteur est déjà couru dans (indroven mettent hors jeu dedans à l'usine) (cassée dedans). Oui, j'ai un problème avec le terminologi... Aha, RODAGE! Quand je lis dedans le manuel, il indique que ce moteur devrait être droven dedans. Les 1500 premiers kilomètres un ne devraient pas excéder 2500 t/mn. Alors on peut conduire plus rapidement mais d'abord après que 6000 kilomètres que le prestanda maximum peut être pris dans l'avantage. Maintenant, quel est vrai à ce sujet ?

P.S. Les images viendront bientôt

yes, generaly motor are already run in factory, but not the complete car ! what about the transmission gear ! (gear box ....)

anyway with 175hp, drive in this should not be a big pain

ps: i receive mine last thursday

traduction
oui, les moteurs sont maintenant rodés en usine, mais pas la voture complète ! notamment la chaine de transmission (boite de vitesse ...)

mais bon, avec 175ch, çà ne doit pas être trop la galere à roder !

PS: j'ai reçu le mien jeudi dernier

Hej !

Jag prata litte svenska, men det är bättre po Engelska !

Some say engine are grinden (rodage) at the factory, but it not true for that type of engines. It would be for a high class engine (V8 - V12), but it costs too much for small engines.

And in a car there are many things that required grinding : tires, brakes, transmission, ...

So be gentle with your car for the first 1000 km, with no more than 2500 RPM, avoid full pedal acceleration, brake with anticipation, and don't go too fast in the corners.
After 1000 km, it's ok, you can use the full potential of your car.

Ha det so bra !

Hej! Salut!

Ok guys, I'll take it easy for the first 1000-1500 km. It's a little cool to take care of this car - you get a little sacred. I'll give the red devil a smooth start in life.

A little of topic:
Pascal, what version and extras do you have in your car?

Mine is, or it should be the Privilège. They call it "Elegance" in Sweden. This was possible to identify in my old model - there was a text in the middle glove compartment. Now in my new, phase II, I can't find this text anywhere. I am also missing the compartment under the drivers floor. This was a perfect place to hide a camera or something else of value or importance. I wonder why it's gone in phase II.

Anyway, my is equiped with Aria 18", beige leather, panorama sun roof and Carminat navigation. Boy, this is cool! The colour is Flame red. Yes, I know, it's not very discreet.

It would be fun to share experiences with you, and others of course.

If someone has told you that engines are run or grinden... he's lied.

Some small % of the production of engines is tested just to evaluate its perfomances (puissance et couple), but the others... nothing, they go directly into the car.

So, if you want to protect your engine, please be kind with it... at least its first 5000 km.
The most important ones are the first 2000 km, in which you should not pass from 2000 rpm.

And of course... nothing about running before the engine is heated, or stopping before the turbo has been warmed.

Good luck with your new car.

Regards

But if that is true, how come you don't have to change the engine oil earlier than after about 15000 km? What about silts a.s.o. (vases?)

I changed the oil (both engine and speed-box) at 5000 km... instead it's not recommended by Renault (it's supposed that once you buy your car, they prefer that you appear as often as you can by their "shops").

Regards

You're lucky if in Sweden they call for oil change at 15000 km. In France, they say 30 000 km...

You can do it at about 5 000 km if you want to be sure, but it's not an obligation...

Be aware: Some of the F9Q were runed in but all the M9 engine are tested at the end of the assembly line (that was the aim of the assembly line in CLéon, near Rouen).

BUT: engine are just tested 5 minutes so you need to do the job. Be carefull at the beginning.
I would just say that you must follow what's written in your manual.

Remember: Engine are NOT tested/run in. M9, F9, F4....... they just run for 5-8 minutes so DO NOT COUNT on that kind of run.

Then, the best is to change the engine oil before 15 000 Km.

All of them (100% of the production)?

This seems to be very difficult to believe...

I know that some engines are tested (a little % of the production), but only to verify the power and torque...

So, as far as I know, engines are not tested. It's true that I don't know how they have this at Cleon, where the M9 is assembled, but I suppose it should be similar to other engines factories of Renault...

Testing 100% of the engines (even 5 minutes) takes a lot of money...

Slts

I add the same information as you ibarroso, a small % of engines is tested

For the M9, it is 100% of the production which is tested at Cleon (5-8 minutes).
It was a need before the start of the production for this engine.
BUT: the run does not mesure power and torque, it is just done to check that everything's fine/working on the engine.

For the F9 and F4, it is a small part of the enfine which are tested (up to 12%) except RS engine wich are 100% tested.

To mesure power and torque, UTAC (french organism) ask Renault to test some engines at the end of the production line (random). This cost a lot of time (between 13 and 15 hours) to have a complete test. Those test run first very slow (rodage) and then full power (full throttle) for many hours from 1000 tr/min to max rpm.

J'espère qu'il y aura des volontaires pour nous faire une petite traduc, hein ?

In terms of time... it's incredible... the preparation of all the engines... the test... all the testing-machines necessaries...

It's very hard to believe, but if they do... it's clear that it's better.

Regards

Voila


100% des moteurs M9 sont testés (démarrés et petits tests) sur la ligne en directe (le banc est sur la ligne d'assemblage ; 5-8 minutes).
C'etait l'une des raisons d'etre du M9, ceci etait sur le cahier des charges à l'origine.

Pour le F9 et F4, seul une partie de la prod est testé (maxi 12%) sauf les moteur RS (Renault Sport) testés à 100%.
Pour le controle de la puissance et du couple, c'est l'UTAC (organsim independant) qui demande à Renault de prélever au hasard des moteurs de la ligne pour verifier que les moteurs vendus font les perfos (ni plus, ni moins). Mais ce type de test coute tres cher en temps (de 13 à 15 heures). Il commencent par qq heures de rodage puis pleine charge pendant la plus grande partie du temps pour tout tester et verifier les valeurs de couple/puissance/conso.

Olivier, tu travailles à Lardy?

Slts

Heuuu, oui ? toi aussi ?

Non , mais j'ai travaillé au BE Mot K à FASA, et je connais quelques personnes à Lardy... on envoyait là quelques moteurs quand on n'avait pas de disponibilité à VLL...

Mais il y a un an que je ne travaille pas chez Renault...

Slts

D'acc donc tu connais pas mal de choses sur le moteur K alors c'est cool, j'ai justement un moteur K.

Ouppssss, on va passer par les MP alors...

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